Tesla and SpaceX billionaire Elon Musk and conservative political commentator Ben Shapiro attended a European Jewish Federation conference to discuss the dangers of DEI practices and the future of college campuses.
Dave Rubin plays a clip of their brutally honest conversation.
“Some people are rallying in support of Hamas on college campuses. So they're putting together perhaps the strangest coalition in human history,” Shapiro began. “You'll see LGBTQ flags flying in support of Hamas. Of course, if LGBTQ people were actually in the Gaza Strip, they wouldn't be there anymore. They'd be dead. There will be.”
“That's true,” Musk agreed. “That's really out of line.”
“There's this coalitional idea here that basically the power structure has to be disrupted at all costs. If that means allying with people who hate me, then I also have people who hate me. will form an alliance with,” Shapiro continued. Some kind of paradoxical support “has been growing feverishly since October 7th.”
“What do you think about the future of the West if they continue to accept that idea?” he asked Musk.
“We really need to disrupt the principle that usually the weaker party is always right. “If you belong to the 'oppressed party or the weaker party,' that doesn't mean you're right. “No,” Musk replied, adding, “If a weak group wants to wipe you out, that doesn't make them any better.”
“We need to get rid of the rule that weaker is automatically better,” he continued. “You judge all groups and individuals based on absolute moral standards, not on whether they are so-called oppressed or oppressors.”
It was a solid answer, but Shapiro had more questions.
“What do you think the future holds for American universities, given the fact that universities as a whole seem to be corrupted by moral relativism? …Do you think there is a wave of change coming to universities? …What is the solution for universities, not just in the United States but abroad?'' he pressed.
“I think we need to go back to what it was (or mostly was), where we focused on merit. And whether you're a man or a woman, what race you are. “It doesn't matter who you are or what your beliefs are. What matters is how well you do your job,” Musk explained, adding, “That's the least racist thing.” Ta. [or] You can be sexist too. ”
“You could be a three-legged green Martian.” [who] Wearing a kimono and drinking yak milk. Who cares?…What matters is how good your job is. That’s it,” he analogized.
Dave not only praises Musk's answers, but also how he is “really good as he is” and explains “complicated things in a very simple way.”
“Just because we are a group that is perceived as vulnerable (in this case the Palestinians) does not mean that we are good, no matter what kind of oppression we perceive,” he said. He reiterated Musk's comments.
“You are not allowed to burn a baby alive or put it in an oven. You are not allowed to rape a woman or murder a man, woman, or child…That doesn't mean it's okay to be good. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't make it right, but unfortunately that's what many on the modern left now believe.”
To hear Musk and Shapiro's conversation, watch the clip below.
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