MSNBC's Joy Reid sparred with Moms for Liberty co-founder Tiffany Justice on Friday about the national debate about what books should and shouldn't be available in public schools. I did it.
The liberal host began by telling the judge, who had been outspoken about protecting “parental rights,” that “liberal” parents, “African American” parents, and “LGBTQ” parents had the same rights. The judge reiterated that “all parents” have the same rights.
She also asked why a select few activist parents, such as those affiliated with Moms for Liberty, “can decide which books are read to tens of thousands of children.” When pressed, the justices responded that those parents probably had seen the contents of the book. Often contains sexually explicit and graphic content.
The judge pushed back on Reed's idea that the book was “banned.”
“No one bans books,” the judge said. “Write the book, print the book, publish the book, put the book in the public library, and sell the book. We're talking about public school libraries.”
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MSNBC host Joy Reid sparred with Mamas for Liberty co-founder Tiffany Justice over efforts to remove inappropriate books from school libraries. (Screenshot/MSNBC)
“Kids don't have free access to the internet at school. I did a FOIA [Freedom of Information Act] request. And I wanted to know what kinds of Internet sites are prohibited at school. We're talking about prohibition, right? And the subject matter of books that mothers are concerned about is the same that their children don't have access to on the internet. I mean, that feels so hypocritical, right? Why isn't anyone protesting to “Free the Internet''? ”
Reed went on to list books that have reportedly been removed from schools, including “The Diary of Anne Frank,'' “Gender Queer,'' and “Martin Luther King and the March on Washington.'' The judge found that Moms for Liberty did not have a “national book list” to argue against, and argued that parents should seek out information about the book's contents themselves in their child's school library.
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The MSNBC host went on to suggest that parents may be targeting books by using Book Looks, a website that relies on keyword searches to find content taken out of context.
“Under what circumstances is a strap-on dildo acceptable in a public school?” Justice shot back. “Please tell me the context of the rape of a minor child by a strap-on and a teenage boy.”
Tiffany Justice, co-founder of Moms for Liberty, has advocated for sexually explicit content to be removed from public schools. (Screenshot/MSNBC)
The two continued to have a shouting match, with Reed repeatedly asking why liberal parents didn't have the right to have certain books in school that conservative parents were targeting.
“Again, we are talking about incest, rape and pedophilia,” the judge said.
“No, no, no,” Reid scolded her. “Each parent must decide what is appropriate for their child, so I would like to ask you to answer… To the parents who want their children to see and feel this story… What rights do they have? Why don't they have rights as children?' Parents need to say, 'Can my child have access to this?'
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The only point Reed and Justice agreed on was the creation of an “opt-out form” available at schools for parents who don't want their children to take books out of the library without their permission. The judge called this a “great step in the right direction”.
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“You could put away all the books that have dildos and rape and all sorts of graphic sexual content,” Justice said.
“I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!” Reid shouted. “I've seen tapes of Moms for Liberty activities, and you're attending school board meetings and reading graphic material.”
“Joy, this is a dishonest conversation,” Justice said. “America used to understand that there was such a thing as age-appropriate content.”
